Lets use 68 to make the .270 look as hot as it could be. With the same bullet seated in the .270 Wby. *I'd go back with 270 WSM especially if you already have the components. Glad to hear of your experience. My first one was in .300 WSM, and after using it to take an outstanding elk in the mountains of New Mexico, I decided just one was not enough. Those who think Jack O Conner gave up on the 270 as a cartridge, have a short in their synapses. Lets call the start of the overbore region to be about 1100, just for the sake of discussion. in every department. johnnyk Well-Known Member Joined Dec 24, 2001 Messages 2,441 Location Potters Hill, NC Jun 21, 2021 #2 Hey Gary, welcome to LR Hunting. The same applies to some of the maximum loads published in various reloading manuals. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Wilson 300 HAMr (HAMR) twist rate for subsonic? Velocity, energy, bucking the windeverything. The 26 Nosler introduced in 2013 was followed by the 28 Nosler in 2015, the 30 Nosler in 2016, and the 33 Nosler in 2017. Noslers complete line of M48 rifles will also be available chambered in 27 Nosler and for reloaders, fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. See how it turns out and what she likes. Note also that the 6.8 Western runs neck and neck with the 7mm Rem. The .270 Wby. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the "fat" .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. 27 Nosler Ah why not? That works fine on the standard array of .277-inch bullets, most of which fall between 100 and 150 grains. I would ask you one question about this though: Could you or Dakota Arms build me a 7mm Dakota for what I can get a Weatherby Vanguard II in 270 Weatherby that guarantees 1 MOA? in the dust. Whats old is new again. the 27 Nosler drops 11 less than a 270 Win and 7 less than a 270 WSM. The Shilen match grade barrel features a threaded muzzle (1/2-28 or 5/8-24 Tpi) for suppressor adaptation and also includes a knurled thread protector. That could be a rather expensive tool, as it would be custom tooling from one of the reamer makers. It was decided that bullet and cartridge neck diameter alone was not enough to guarantee that someone with arms like Popeye (the Sailor Man) could not force a 28 Nosler cartridge into a rifle chambered for the 27 Nosler. Pass. I used the 27 Nosler last fall on a hunt in Utah for pronghorns and mule deer, and it probably wont shock you to learn it worked just fine. Mag. The 27 Nosler is an impressive cartridge, but I dont believe anyone reading this will live long enough to see it entirely replace the .270 Win. AccuBond and 165-gr. I have not kept an accurate count of the game bagged with the .270 WSM through the years, but I have taken enough to become convinced that all things consideredincluding recoil and performance on gameit might just be the most useful member of the WSM family. Give a Gift (possibly NX8 4-32) Hoping for thoughts and ideas Jun 16, 2021 #2 N NK Hunter Member Joined Jun 16, 2021 As I say, Ill have to sit down with the prints and look at them. Averages for 150-grain bullets were 2,926 fps and 3,085 fps respectively for a difference of 159 fps. Being able to use Lapua brass would be a plus. Mag. By the time you read this, Nosler should have factory loads rolling off its machines. For this reason, the Nosler Model 21 rifle has a crisp, user defined feel. Mag. It begins with a circumference of 5.5" near the receiver and then abruptly swells to a much larger handful. In ballistic terms, it outperforms the 7mm Rem. The 27 Nosler is joining a crowded field of long-range cartridges, so it's going to have to fight to succeed. Most factory rifles dont have a fast enough twist rate to stabilize the limited selection of high BC .277 bullets out there, so you arent getting full performance unless you go with a custom which then the question is, why? A 1:10" rifling twist rate has long been standard for the .270 Win. Ok, that's good to know. Sep 12, 2011. The Weatherby has held the longest point blank range record for a very long time. From the postWorld War II era right up to the early 2000s, the .270 was a colossus among big-game hunting cartridges, a mighty twin of the immortal .30/06. When I built mine there was no load data. Averages for 140-grain bullets were 3,034 fps and 3,176 fps respectively for a difference of 142 fps. The 27 Nosler, introduced in 2020, is the fifth cartridge developed by the family-operated company on the modified .404 Jeffery case. Thats a pretty steep price for the gain. I love my 27 Nosler. His other creations waiting impatiently in the wings are the 27 Nosler, the 35 Nosler, and the 36 Nosler. The 6.5 Creedmoor had just been introduced and would soon become the dominant centerfire cartridge for a new generation of shooters and hunters. So why only a few other cartridges of its caliber have been introduced through the years has long been a mystery. The .270 was introduced in the Winchester Model 54, but it was not an instant success. Follow him on Facebook&YouTubeand subscribe to his show: the Big Game Hunting Podcast. The BC, interestingly, is .617. : (800) 285-3701; Web: www.nosler.com Specifications: Caliber/Gauge: .27 Nosler Barrel: 26-inch carbon-fiber-wrapped, threaded muzzle OA Length: 48-inches Empty Weight: 7.0-pounds Sights: None Stocks/Grips: Carbon fiber, Elite Midnight camo Capacity: 3+1 rounds Price: $3,190 It was a hell of a run. of Israeli Defense Forces, joins David Fortier for an exclusive interview for Shotgun News. So 8 rds. While I am sure he would have wanted me to take it hunting, I simply could not bring myself to subject it to the hard knocks of the outdoors. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. or the massive 27 Nosler. The Model 21 is built by riflemen, for riflemen and provides exceptional reliability and packable precision to any huntwherever that may be. A 27 Nosler is shorter from the base to the shoulder than a 26 or 28 Nosler. The figure for the .308 is about 750 to 780, if memory serves. hogs and it kills just as fast and clean as my 7mm Rem Mag. Both should shine in this cartridge. Its 26-inch Shilen barrel measured 1.15 inches at the receiver, and from there it tapered to a muzzle diameter of 0.635 inch. Make sure to watch till the end. Heres a brief look at the old-timer followed by four newer cartridges that share its bullet diameterincluding the as yet to be introduced 27 Nosler. Unprimed cases are available from Hornady, Nosler, Norma, and Weatherby. My 6.8 ammo was loaded with Remingtons 115-grain Core-Lokt Ultra bullet at 2,650 fps. They have quite the stock of seasoned walnut gunstock blanks there are Dakota you can even choose what you want if you wish, last time I was over there. Pressure-tested data came from Nosler, Hodgdon and VihtaVuori. Not many cartridges can claim that kind of longevity and success. I averaged maximum velocities for three bullet weights listed in the latest reloading manuals published by Lyman, Speer, Barnes, Hornady, Western Powders, Hodgdon, Swift, Berger, Nosler, and Sierra. And while Berger considers 1:8" to be optimal for the 170-gr. Considering its big appetite for powder, velocity spread with the 27 Nosler was quite low. OConnor passed away in 1978, but if he were still with us today would he abandon his beloved custom rifles in .270 Win. Retired Marine with multiple shoulder surgeries on right shoulder and I shoot 270 now because of recoil and this 27 nosler would give me that heavier bullet and longer range compared to 270 and I'd have basically same recoil with Hawg muzzle suppressor. Butt stroke a man with an M-4. Advertisement Rifle Specifications Calibre: .27 Nosler Barrel length: 24 inches Overall length: 45 inches Weight: 6 pounds Barrel twist & contour: 1-8 Sendero Light Length of pull: 13.5 inches If I was going to get into long distance shooting and had the money I would look long and hard at this cartridge in a Nosler mountain rifle. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. May 16, 2014 138 153. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. We also saw many compromises that didn?t . AccuBond Long Range bullets at respective muzzle velocities of 3250 f.p.s. There are hundreds of options for high BC bullets in multiple weights for the 6.5 and 7mm class of projectiles, you gain nothing by sticking with a .277 caliber. Other features common among these cartridges include minimal body taper, steep shoulder angles, and tight throat dimensions. Snow Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. It weighed 8 pounds, 13.5 ounces with a Bushnell 1.5-6X Elite 4200 scope in a Talley lightweight mount. I also shoot a 300 Weatherby (and a .257) and the 300 punishes the plate in my neck. Data published in various reloading manuals answer that question. 27 Nosler Load Data; 27 Nosler Load Data. Roy Weatherby introduced his first big-game cartridge, the .270 Weatherby Magnum, in 1943 and began offering handloaded ammunition in 1945. This works just fine for bullets in the 130-150 grain range those cartridges are most popular in. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. Thats with a 210 yard zero. 6.5 mm PRC, .280 Ack. I set up the rifle so that it hit 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, giving the bullet a 240-yard zero. For that reason, there are not a lot of options for hunters looking for a really long, heavy, high ballistic coefficient .277" bullet. Advertised weights are 6 lbs. The barrel twist on our previous .270sthe Winchester, Winchester Short Magnum, and Weatherby Magnumis 1:10. Whether you decide to breathe new life into an old .270 Winchester by giving it a new fast-twist barrel, opt for the efficient, impressive 6.8 Western short-action magnum, or jump in with both feet and get the daddy dragon of them allthe 27 Nosleryoull be better served by the .270 than ever before. Your mileage will vary, according to how you treat your bore, how hot you let the barrel get, how hot you load your ammo, etc, etc. The soon the be released 277 SIG Fury Hybrid Ammunition is derived from the military Enhanced Rifle Cartridge Program. heavier than the Long-Range Carbon, it is also $385 less expensive. The 27 Nosler is presently available in two Model 48 variants, the Mountain Carbon with a 24" barrel and the Long-Range Carbon with a 26" barrel. among American manufacturers, but to assure complete stabilization of the new lengthy bullets, twist rate for the 27 Nosler is 1:8.5". This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Why did its designers neck down the .30-03 case and not the slightly shorter .30-06 case, which had replaced it 19 years before the .270 Win. This is not a stand-alone number that says Your barrel will not last X rounds Thats not how this works. Availability of 27 Nosler ammunition loaded with the standard 150-gr. Which cartridge? Im not sure the taper on the cartridge would allow this, but it might. Federal, Hornady, Remington, SSA, Sellier & Bellot, and Prvi Partizan offer it, so there is no shortage of ammo. Besides, why not just go with .300 Win. What has to be the most bullet-proof animal in North America took one 140-grain bullet behind its shoulder at 160 yards and immediately went down for the count. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. Nosler may as well rent out space in every Dicks and call it Fudds R Us.. and .375 Holland & Holland Magnum, but it took very little reading between the lines to see that the .270 was his favorite. The Model 48 Long-Range Carbon, with a Manners MCS-T Elite Tac carbon-fiber stock and a 26" PROOF Research carbon-wrapped stainless steel barrel in 27 Nosler, weighs roughly 7 lbs. 270 Win - 277 Sig Fury - 27 Nosler comparo.PNG. The .38 Smith & Wesson Special, designed in 1898, rocked the handgun realm with its ballistic performance making it a cartridge for the history books. They will overhype and overprice this just like their others. Mag. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Over the decades, millions of deer, elk, sheep, bears and pronghorn have fallen to it, to grace the tables and walls of Americas hunters and add chapters to the American hunting lore. Now, take that big fat case and neck it UP to make a .458 Nosler, and Im in. A slow tour through the bore with a Lyman Digital Borecam revealed extremely smooth, six-groove, hand-lapped rifling. DESCRIPTION 27 Nosler Unprimed Rifle Brass Box of 50 by PETERSON CARTRIDGE COMPANY Product Overview: Peterson Cartridge Company is a family-owned, American manufacturer of match-grade, brass rifle casings and loaded ammunition that is among the most precise and consistent on the market, delivering discerning long-distance shooters sub-MOA accuracy. I am just glad they are making the 165 grain long distance projectiles to be used in my 270. a slightly bigger case and a slightly fatter bullet may have been a bit of one-upmanship at a time when new cartridges were not introduced on a weekly basis. In light varmint bullets, theyll both be shooting the same weight of bullets (lets say 40 to 52 grain pills) and with the same twist rifling (lets say 1:12). Another thing I will mention is the saami spec 27 nosler reamer has a very short freebore,I recommend having it throated a touch longer if you decide on the 165-170 class bullets. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Noslers factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. I seldom notice recoil when shooting a rifle at game, but a muzzle brake is nice to have when accuracy testing and developing handloads. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Sends it through the roof. Savage Impulse Straight-Pull Rifle: Full Review, Top 5 Most Accurate Factory-Loaded Rifle Cartridges, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. 130 Grain; 140 Grain; 150 Grain; 160 - 165 Grain; NOSLER. I think good muscle memory habits formed in shooting make a difference in the duress of hunting situations. A detailed analysis unpacking everything behind this would require a book. I like the trigger and the action on the Howa. I then lowered the ram and turned in the die just enough to force the RCBS Rock Chucker press to cam slightly over center when the ram was fully raised. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Originally touted to push a 130-grain bullet at 3,140 fps, it was lightning-fast in the year 1925. While velocity can be increased with a freebored chamber, the long jump makes some rifles particular about the bullets they will shoot accurately. Trophy Grade ammunition is loaded by Nosler with 150-gr. I'm doing Bartlein instead of Proof and running a different brake, action, and scope, but using GW stock and bottom metal etc. bullets). The .308 is fairly easy on barrels, like the .223 Remington. Under a hundred yards gets a little high (right at 3) but I can figure that out pretty quickly. $3,139.99. Ten pulls on a Lyman digital gauge averaged 3 lbs., 3 ozs., with a variation of only 3 ozs. Lets explore some comparisons, crunching numbers against traditional .270 Winchester loads, and then adding 7mm Rem. A custom built one (twist, bullet selection, etc.) The loads for 140- and 150-grain bullets in my chart were furnished by Nosler and did not exceed 61,750 psi in Noslers 26-inch pressure barrel. Shop our vast selection and save! This kind of flat-shooting performance has made hunters swoon since the first ballistic tables tumbled off the Gutenberg press. Well, the company just formally introduced another member to the family: the 27 Nosler. Due the slight weight difference between the two, along with the stiffness of the PROOF Research barrel, once the rifle was sighted in the thread protector and the brake could be interchanged with no effect on zero. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. With a little dish soap, we can get the water to form a flat surface across the neck opening. Better neck on the 27N. A number of powders have the correct burn rate for this cartridge, with CFE BLK, Accurate 1680, and Power Pro 1200R among the best choices. OConnor was right about it being big enough medicine for elk, but even he admitted that the .30-06 is a better elk cartridge. 1 of Field & Stream. Nope. 27 Nosler on a Rem 700 action using a X-caliber stainless steel match grade barrel spiral fluted then muzzle threaded and 3 port GP. The Sako-style extractor plucked fired cases from a dirty chamber without missing a beat, and the spring-loaded plunger ejector propelled spent cases through the port smoothly and with great authority. Pacific Tool & Gauge has chamber reamers for all Nosler cartridges, including the 27 Nosler, 35 Nosler, and 36 Nosler. Everything considered, 130 grains has proven to be the ideal bullet weight, although I have often moved up to 150 grains when in elk country. John B. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. When throated it should still have room in a 3.6" magazine. Nosler 27 Nosler Rifle Reloading Brass - 25 Count. Fireformed case, overflowing to the neck = 98.4 gr/H2O with a 150 AB seated to 3.340 OAL = 89.9 gr/H2O. Just $1 per month , We used the new cartridge on a big-game hunt last fall. Enable Accessibility. Many hunters of my age find it difficult to think of a cartridge loaded with a .277" bullet without the name Jack OConnor coming to mind. It still wears the Weatherby 3-9X Supreme scope in a Buehler two-piece mount that came on it. My rifle had no problems shooting sub-MOA groups. However, should you decide to go that route, there are gains. While that extra velocity does indeed translate into less bullet drop and more energy retained downrange, the 27 Nosler also has another important advantage over comparable cartridges: a faster rifling twist. Reloder 50 did a good job behind the Nosler 160-grain Partition, and H50BMG and US 869 would likely do as well. Hunters take a good percentage of shots from their knees or on their butts. Just a year later, Browning and Winchester Ammunition collaborated and have just introduced what may be the most practical modern .270 cartridge yet. Going to .30 cal. Thanks for the welcome and the insights. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Each piece is chamfered, deburred, checked for proper alignment and sized and . 125, No. Posts: 1,224. If you want to use 26 or 28 Nosler dies, you will have to build a 27 wildcat instead of a SAAMI 27 Nosler. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Sign up for daily stories delivered to your inbox. rifle market grow and develop into a complete niche of its own. Weatherby rifles chambered for most of the Weatherby cartridges have always had freebored chambers that allow bullets to freetravel quite a long distance prior to engaging the rifling. The .270 Winchester, depending on what/how you loaded it, could be bordering on overbore or well into overbore status. Note that while Nosler's proprietary cartridges (to include the 27 Nosler), and the rifles they're available in, are capable of excellent accuracy at long range in the right hands, they're designed primarily for big game hunting, not for competition shooting. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Facebook; Instagram; Help. Unfortunately, the .270s relatively slow 1:10 rifling twist, as specd in SAAMIs reg book, wont stabilize the stretched-out, heavy, streamlined bullets that offer extremely high ballistic coefficients. Subscriber Services. If you want to use 26 or 28 Nosler dies, you will have to build a 27 wildcat instead of a SAAMI 27 Nosler. Learn all the details about this new rifle in my Nosler M21 review. The 150-grain AccuBond, which Ive been shooting, will be the first up, followed (hopefully) soon after by the new 165-grain ABLR. 3,399. I want to emphasize this last point you can burn up any barrel if you mistreat it and get it very hot, or if you do something like clean it with a segmented cleaning rod, etc. Nosler will be offering their complete line of M48 rifles in the 27 Nosler chambering. If i were to build a rifle chambered in 28 Nosler, would my action from R700 chambered 7mm Rem Mag work? No probs as of yet cases have 2-3 firings on them. AccuBond and 165-gr. Elite Hunter, it delivered excellent accuracy from the slightly slower twist of the Nosler test rifle. Many F-class shooters tell me that with this cartridge, they can see their groups open up after about 1400 to 1600 rounds and these shooters really know how to care for their barrels. Other chambering options for the Long-Range Carbon rifle are 6.5 mm Creedmoor, 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler, .300 Win. It was the first old buck wed spotted. But do you know how to properly use them? and 3158 f.p.s. 800-741-0015. I load 140 gr Nosler BTs and I can put the cross hair on anything out to 310 yards and hit within 2. was not a lot faster than the .270 Win. And I also do like the quantification you applied. Wish I were younger27 Nosler with 180 grain Woodleigh weldcorethat would be my elk load.
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