If police have shared information with a family, it could cause someone to speak in the past tense.Factors:Time: how much time has passed? Her language has told us on a number of occasions she wasnt. This seems premature considering Karlie has only been missing 12 hours. 'Up until the beginning of the year William called me Mum. In 2019, the foster mother tearfully told the podcast which arose from the 'Where's William' campaign that William's disappearance was 'the never-ending nightmare' in their lives. After watching the clip and seeing how his wife took control of the situation when the sensitive point came up it reinforces everything we already know.I feel sorry for the interviewer who was in tears on multiple occasions regarding the story. We have to take peoples words literally. If that someone else is Williams sister (her daughter) and she is talking to her mother and [other daughter], in her mind she has introduced one daughter by making the statement we were. Deputy State Coroner Grahame will hand down her findings at the NSW Coroner's Court on June 18, 2021. All rights reserved. At least in my gut every day, stronger and stronger, I know we`re going to see Caylee. In all of the cases there is some level of neglect and I believe it is how the person personally interprets that amount which decides on their actions. Why was mother going through William's hair with a comb?Why is the freckle vivid in her mind since it is normally hidden by his hair?Shaved head?He is wearing a "spiderman "outfit"?Pajamas? So thats, yeah, thats my last sound my last sound memory of him is wraah and then its nothing. I thought the following sentence from the mother (in the police interview) is very telling: His sister no longer has a brother, we no longer have a son, we no longer have a child, we no longer have our boy. Apparently they think or know William is no longer alive or else he wouldnt have stopped being a their son and his sisters brother.I checked the foster mothers statements in the police interview again and you are right: it is crazy how often she says just. The foster parents successfully cleared all those hurdles and in 2011 were approved as carers of children on short term orders. If I had genuinely just watched TV I wouldnt have to worry as I would be safe in knowing that any investigation into my movements that day would prove my statement was true. ', NSW Police are into their second week of a high intensity search of bushland around Kendall and the house on Benaroon Drive from which William disappeared. She states that there were two other cars across the road from Nanna's home that morning. Ask yourself, "How close is this person to the one missing?" His pictures were circulated everything at the time, but noone knew of a missing "boy"or recognized his picture. Detectives from Strike Force Rosann received information relating to the suspected assault of a child, who is not William, at a home in Sydneys Upper North Shore. They fostered a couple of children short term before being granted seven-month-old William Tyrrell in 2012. Autumn, you make some good points. Can she not come home by herself? Autumn. This link has the foster dad's police interview, can this be analysed pleasehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1889904/Video-Moments-William-Tyrrells-disappearance-described-father.html. If the foster parents really thought William might still be alive, wouldnt they want their identity known so that people with tips or knowledge about his whereabouts etc. And she wanted me to spend the night with her. The car makes a u-turn. There is something curious in this respect though (Adrian also mentioned it): in the 60 minutes episode only one daughter is mentioned, so why did the foster mother say "my other daughter" in the 000 call (000 is the Australian 911)? Anne Maree Sharpley (the first neighbor to speak to the foster mother on the morning William disappeared) reportedly testified during the inquest that the foster mother told her words to the effect of: Hes either hit his head and cant answer me or somebodys taken him because he knows to answer me. Why would the foster mother specifically - out of all the possible reasons that William was not responding to her calls - mention as (first) possibility that William had hit his head?Buried "down the path" -> I believe investigators indicated that the search for William was so thorough that he would have probably been found had he still been in the area (also: a path doesn't seem like a very practical burying place).Autumn, John, I didn't read your comment carefully enough. It's understood he is homeless after his last stint in jail. As if to say, if hed been measured recently, he would be - she doesnt know. It is pure fabrication. However, they went one day earlier. The duo released statements, a poster of William with the foster parents' motto 'William, we will never give up' and stood sentinel outside the inquest handing out red-and-blue 'Where's William Tyrrell' ribbons. Autumn. Does that also apply to its present tense leave or leaves?Leigh. No, I know. And then its just silence and hes just vanished. Autumn, I personally like to read the suppositions of other people as long as they are based on the words of the statement that is analyzed. The Bank Holiday excitement is a bit too much for some! And, I want you guys all to know. Omg the poor bio MomI just watched the video. Although I dont think its suspicious per se to be thankful to authorities in such a situation, this feels different: its almost as if shes relieved because they didnt find Karlie (I watched the video and thats also what her body language exuded i.m.o. Michael, I would not be surprised if the foster mother did not say "Do you see daddy's car" at all. Wasnt she supposed to be inside? A pause indicates a need to think of what to say. I want you to do something for me so I am going to say nice things about you and try to build rapport with you. [Cant, didnt, and dont] are all in the negative. Now that you say it -> indeed she seems to quickly talk over him so as to prevent him from spilling details.Autumn. If she knows William was not abducted her mind would tell her no, not possible. So, in the timeline that they say. I usually dont become emotional when seeing people cry due to numbness from PTSD, but I literally felt her painso incredibly sadshe is gutted by the loss of William. I am the one that said I like the type of comments Lucia offered. Every day I wake up, I`m just hoping and praying that I get to go home. So therefore both didn't get any sentence, this is normal ways for courthouses here in Europe. The inquest closed on Thursday and Deputy State Coroner Grahame will review more than 18 months of evidence before handing down her findings mid-way through next year. While telling us the positive statement she was awake her head shakes in disagreement with her words. Thursday's charge is the latest in a string. The foster mothers linguistic disposition towards William is neutral at best, making it. And I was really scared to put this out there because so many people are judgemental and I don't want her story to die. She then states that after she got ready for bed with all of those activities that are sensitive to sexual and domestic abuse, And, so we ended up back in the living room with her brothers for a little bit. This is what makes the difference between the kinds of people we meet in our everyday lives. And I wish I wouldn't have fallen asleep. She closes with Im bein real which is like throwing the kitchen sink at the job of convincing everyone. She also used it in the Dr. Phil interview. Anonibal, Tell me how to solve the case! He brings the subject of crossing the street into his language and there is a lot of sensitivity there. William's birth father was unable to attend the remaining hearings this week after having his jaw broken by another patient while being treated for mental health at a Sydney hospital. Those trolls some of whom have gone as far to travel to Taree for two of the hearings were sitting in Lidcombe Coroner's Court on Thursday. Brittany Chain For Daily Mail Australia We heard him, we heard nothing. And then is a skipping over of time, which can indicate missing information. A senior detective has told a court he believes the former foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell knows where he is. William Tyrrell's sister tells inquest into his disappearance she will become a detective and solve abduction mystery. - The mother passes over the question, Would he have had any shoes on, do you know? Unfortunately, it was a compound question, of which she chose to address only the second part about any other distinguishing features. Thursdays charge is the latest in a string of recent developments linked to the investigation. Extensive searches were carried out and William was not found. [She was awake]If she was there hanging out why would we need to be told she was awake. The only verb in the sentence is raced there is no mention of looking or searching from her. Were sorry, this feature is currently unavailable. The child is not William Tyrrell. Since there is a Little Tara, who is Big Tara?Was William Big Tara? Its a bit of a tongue twister say as well. Daily Mail Australia understands the Mazda Hatchback was allegedly driven by his foster mother on September 12, 2014 - the morning the three-year-old vanished. Nobody knew about it beforehand. She is telling us that it is only racing, no big deal. The parents went through a working with children check, interviews with social workers about why they wanted to foster a child, and an examination of their capacity to keep a child safe. The major question would be if she was there then why did she leave instead of help look for missing William? Lindsay moved away to a larger city several years prior and wanted Karlie to continue to live in a small town. For example, if a mother or caretaker was watching. I am an adult in the autism spectrum and the extraneous comments are too much for me. Looks interesting but there is a lot of text to analyse in the full statement.Adrian. William Tyrrell's birth mother (above) last saw her son on an access visit in August 2014 when she noticed he was 'more affectionate than usual' and cuddled her rather than racing around, William's birth father (above) last saw his son at the Chipmunks Playland at the Macquarie CVentre in North Sydney in August 2014. The foster parents collected William from day care, left their cats at a boarding kennel and drove up to Kendall a day earlier than planned to start a family weekend, A previous search for William, (above in 2018) failed to find any trace of the toddler or the Spider-Man suit he was wearing when last seen alive. "William's empty car seat in his sister's next to the back seat absolutely tore our hearts," the foster mother said. Um, Friday night I picked up Karlie from town. And then she was, like, can we go to bed? It is an outright deception for them to say we have [no] idea. [Ah hes in, hes in, hes in his bright clothes. Thanks for the link Autumn.Just a snippet from the Police interview, how they have got away with this makes the mind boggle.Police: When did things start to go awry?Mother: Well, when I realised that William was missing, I [just], I think back to that moment where I [just] went, I cant hear him, why, why cant I hear him, and I [walked around], [seriously] it was [just] 2, [3] metres away from where we were sitting, and Ive [just walked out], and I [just see nothing]The mother tells us she was sitting 2 to 3 metres away from William. That was not the case at all. Do you know where he might have gone? I wonder if she is recalling that Karlie appeared awake because she died with her eyes open? 815 likes. Thanks General! If you notice she uses the pronoun I three times but changes to you for one of her statements. The foster mother, who has a sister and two brothers, had intervened in a minor squabble between two of her siblings over property stored at her mother's Kendall house ahead of its proposed imminent sale. The fact that Melissa cannot recall the events correctly points to her fabricating (very badly) her story. Could he have fallen out of it? Then she said I drove my Corolla and Zac took the truck. Was he making noise, but something happened to stop him from making noise? 'It's bittersweet,' she told 'Where's William Tyrrell'. She hated her & flung her & threw her & screeched, filled with wild hatred, she violently threw Little Tara and then she screamed & then something happened.What was she mad about?Why grab & throw Little TaraLike that? They have made various statements in different interviews etc.. Not only because of the parents statements but also because the kidnapper(s) would have to have been clairvoyant to know that William was there. Also, if kidnappers wanted to quietly snatch William away why would they park two cars with blinded windows visibly and suspiciously in the middle of the street and a third one in a neighboring driveway (with the driver exchanging suspicious glances with the foster mother)? For instance the original Thats what I believe becomes:Thats, thats what I,I, I believe Do you think he believes his own words? The full quote of I see nothing, I hear nothing, Im speechless reminds me of the three monkeys. If that is the case, she at one point had to part with him and may have caressed the top of his head. If I had spent the day watching TV then I could use the word just meaning thats all I did in my statement. "If it doesn't, when I am officially adult, I will be in the police force, a detective specifically, and I will find my brother and not give up until he is found. By saying red, red, red, she consciously refers to the Spiderman outfit, but I wondered: is she reliving a bloody accident (red, red, red, etc).As for the burnt out car in the woods: if this was really the car William was abducted in -> would the kidnapper hide the car in the woods near the crime scene and leave it there for several years? OT - Karlie Guse Hi Leigh, Three things stick out to me from a first reading. () Ann Mary Shapely was the first to speak to Williams foster mother: she was upset and saying he has hit his head and cant hear me or hes been taken as he always answers me.Autumn, I just started watching.This morning when I woke up I was thinking about this case, and I had a strong "flash" of "The boy in the box" case. He developed a drug habit and has been in and out of jail. Already getting in the party mood! And I go in and tell Zac- Karlie's not in her bed and so just started to panic and got in our cars and just started driving all around. I.e. Did she wh-where, I just don't know. The screen for King Charles' coronation anointing is revealed, Doctor slams Laurence Fox for 'spewing out biased views', Ukraine drone strike hits major fuel depot in port Sevastopol, Women's rights activists and pro-trans campaigners separated, Historic chairs to be reused by the King for the coronation service, Hundreds of Household Division members rehearse for coronation, Russian freight train derails and bursts into flames after explosion, 'You motherf***ers don't understand': Bam Margera details 'turmoil', Monstrous tornado seen bearing down on Palm Beach, Devastating tornado picks up car and hurls it through air in Florida, Moment large saltwater crocodile snatches pet dog off beach in QLD, Braverman: People crossing Channel are 'at odds with British values'. Im on here to share more info. She's high on marijuana why would I, I just, it didn't cross my mind. I've not read anything specific about number of persons, but have assumed that indeed those four were at the house. Listening and reading the foster mother's statements and dialogue, I think she was being coached by someone in the background. Where the hell is she? Given the amount of times she uses the word "just" leads me to believe it maybe a speech habit. During the inquest she told the court how she thought that was odd because: "The driveways are really long so to walk down the driveways doesn't make sense if you were visiting someone"She says the cars were dirty and old and had tinted windows so you couldn't see through them. Her kind of pushing the child to climb a tree.The mothers I have known and seen rather don't see their 3 year olds climb in anything, let alone a tree. I just want to say that I am amazed by how you sleuths have analyzed the word just. And then I thought, I thought, I mean theres like so many thoughts that just go crashing through your brain in a split second. We talked the whole way home. She didn't have a water bottle. Did Melissa and Zachary take a break at Laws (Lawbreakers) that day? She previously told Daily Mail Australia she 'doesn't want anyone's sympathy' but has maintained a dignified silence in the wake of William's disappearance. Operator: OK can you describe him to me how tall, obviously not very tall but approximately Foster Mother: No, he'd be about two and a half feet. Melissa herself seems to call into question the jacuzzi neighbors sighting in the following sentence: "And then, for the neighbor to say he saw her at 6:30 in the morning, is what he told me, but he's older." I agree with you that if someone says they see nothing it represents them being blind, like you said that could be because of darkness or other factors. "William's father hasn't been the same since he disappeared in a way, two sons have been lost.". "They went as far as to make serious threats against our lives and one person was imprisoned for such threats.". and I said 'Well I can't find him" and she said What do you mean? Is that number correct? (Supplied)William's birth father had seen his son only a month before the boy vanished on September 12, 2014. If she had told us that D had simply returned it would leave open the question of where did he return from? Obviously the father was part of this but in the reports we are told he was not there.Adrian. The more said the more chance of contradicting statements being made; also we get more data to look at.Its disappointing the Police have gone off on the wrong track with the investigation; we can only imagine how much money and manpower has been wasted in the process. William bonded with his foster father almost immediately, was slower to take to his foster mother but not long before he vanished had started calling her 'Mum'. Two years before his sudden disappearance made him a household name, the boy had come to the attention of police, the inquest was told. Melissa and Zac denied being asked about witness information and Dr Phil called them on that lie. I`m just wondering if there`s anything else you want me to tell Caylee because everybody -- you know I always get an opportunity to speak to the media. The Benaroon Drive house from which William vanished in 2014 (above) has been the subject of the latest high intensity search by police for traces of the missing toddler, Photos of William playing on his foster grandmother's deck were meant for a family photo book, but ended up as proof of life images examined by police. She, I made her eat a powerbar and she was just very paranoid. How could that be? His height would be 2 1/2 feet were he standing above ground.What else?She hears him roaring like an animal that lives in a den beneath ground. His cause of death is listed as blunt force trauma. I think you are right we need to take a good look at everything again and see what else there is that connects to William being run over by his father. She chooses these details to report all relating to his head. The editor of it tidied it up to make it more readable. She also says the children were sending messages. You're right -> the foster mother changes "we" to "I" -> so there may have been another person. "I mean, he [wouldnt], hes [not] a wanderer, he [wouldnt] [even] cross the street by himself. Operator: Yeah I can see I can see where you are I just wanted yeah so, it was it's Benarron drive in Kendal and I've got, I've got your nearest cross street as being Ellendale Crsecent. Not she saw him or she heard him, but "we" and "we" only "heard" him; which tells us that this was not eyes on supervision of a young child. Safely, if the police have revealed nothing and the child has not been missing very long, the past tense reference is very alarming. How old was the playmate? Then shaving it off? We dont get to find out those actions as she self-censors. June 12 - NSW Police announce the start of a four-week forensic search of bushland conducted by Strike Force Rosann. The birth mother said in a police statement she had been told that the foster mother and her husband were not comfortable meeting her and the birth father. Melissa told Karlie's mom that Karlie grabbed the steering wheel when she was in the car. That she has mentioned these things while discussing her missing stepdaughter is concerning.The brushing of teeth falls into the category of personal hygiene. Adrian. "That is a lot of negative language. This terminology reminds me of another thing Peter warns us to watch for - telling us what she did not do i.e. If you have nothing to say you say nothing. Now we see her bring in others to take the focus of her with we heard him and then we heard nothing, we expect the use of the pronoun I.Operator: There wasn't anyone um suspicious in the area? So our suspicions arise when we see the extra word as it suggests the person is comparing his answer against the number of drinks they really had. I found it clear and respectful.Autumn. 2. Have they blamed themselves for what has happened? In the Police interview she tells us Williams sister must learn to be an [only child]. "Imagine having your son taken away and doing everything to try and get him back, only for him to go missing.". Zac said I swear to God and honest to God when talking about Karlie. He was in the care of foster parents who took him on a visit to the coastal town of. Why have they spent months working tirelessly, quietly to expose a three-year-old childs state-care status? That`s a good observation you made regarding the photo and the mother referencing minutes till their world had changed. He gave me his phone and said search for the cars," she said. His slightly older sister was the last person to see the boy in the Spider-Man suit one minute they were playing "tigers" on the lawn of their foster grandmother's home in Kendall on the NSW Mid-North Coast, the next he was gone. "I can't tell you how much I rack my brain over the number plates; I beatmyself up," she said. He was last seen at his foster grandmothers home in Kendall, NSW. The dogged determination that got Walking Warriors to this point, to the supreme court, to this ruling, to national headlines, has seen their motives be widely questioned. No mention was made of "Do you see Daddy's car". It could be significant that she chose to pass over the question about shoes, in favour of giving a description of a hidden birthmark, visible only when the hair is parted to the left. Would they walk over and ask to part his hair? So I drove to town, and picked her up. Although I am not convinced of that. (Post continues after podcast.). William was riding his bike on Nanna's driveway at 9 AM on the day of his disappearance. He broke down after she figured it out because now it's not a secret, he's not the one that reported it, and he'll still get the help he needs. I just spoke to the sergeant, and they are at a dead end. There's just something. I brought her home. Adrian. Does the Foster Mother know characters she does not trust? I mainly just observe because you guys are all so advanced with your crime-solving. and I said to mum: Hes not there, he hes gone. And then she said: What do you mean hes gone? And I said: dead, hes disappeared, hes not there.Autumn. The foster mother gives a lengthy answer (three paragraphs long) starting with: I, cause I, I took the photo, I took three photos, I, I do photo books, ehm, of what we do as a family every year. Bishop PD, CHP flying overthey had their copter today. If he had only been missing for a few minutes, it wouldn't be possible to have driven the body to the park and thrown it down a well shaft. -> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1889904/Video-Moments-William-Tyrrells-disappearance-described-father.htmlThe foster dad specifically mentioning getting out of the car and the foster mother saying "screaming halt" makes me wonder: was it a car accident? She wanted to color. I thought this was all meant to convince the listener that (1) someone must have snatched William away because he wouldnt go willingly; and (2) the foster parents could not have been negligent in this scenario because William always stayed close. She may very well still have been taking pictures of William (at another location) when he disappeared. We see a lot of commitment with her use of pronouns four times. And there was no answer, there was no answer.So the mother by her language suggests the father is arriving home (pulling up the drive or vehicle can be heard) as that would be the logical reason for her to say to William (who is round the corner out of sight allegedly) can you see daddys car? She tells us that there was no answer from William which indicates this would be the exact time she discovered him missing.Thats means that it took the father who we believe was pulling up in his car 5 minutes to get from his car to see his wife who tells him William has been missing for five minutes. Or did she actually make more photos (three is the liars number)? And, she hadn't smoked weed in a month. "FACS NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE! The woman appeared in court on . Two hours was the point where something's wrong. They are interesting stories but the language of the mother and father points to them being responsible.
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