A 12-gauge slug over-penetrates.. MjFlNGIwYjNkNjAzOWNhNTg4NTk2Y2VhODViMjg3YmI4OTgwMmExYmVmNDlk Subsonic is also preferred where the hunter wants to limit the maximum range of projectiles. Subsonic rounds hold one key advantage, they run really quiet when suppressed. by Recoil737 Fri May 27, 2011 4:38 am, Post [img]http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/toobmonkey/MedSig.jpg[/img]. Most factory .300 Blackout subsonic loads are a little more powerful than a routine .45 ACP handgun loading, if we're going on (the admittedly incomplete) calculated energy figures. . The additional bullet weight keeps the rounds from breaking the sound barrier, and gives them as much energy as possible. Here is what I know about full power ammo: Excellent, more than enough variety to make a decision. Due to the higher velocity, you will encounter much louder report regardless of a suppressor, due to the supersonic crack of the bullet. As others have pointed out, if you're going to take the longer barrel and not suppress it (or shoot supers suppressed) then there are other calibers that work well in the AR15 platform and give better performance. It is still fun to shoot, even though i now have an 8.5" sbr suppresssed. There are a couple other AR conversions that work better at being supersonic only. Now I want a 16". MTYwYjBhYWYzMjliNDdhNjMzYzAyOTM3Njg5MmU1NmYxOGZmYTY2NGU5NjE4 It gives one performance close to that of a .308 Win in a more short action such as the AR's have. I dont like that I need a tool and I hope someone makes one that is finger adjustable or at least adjusted by using a round. Re: Is 300BLK worth it in supersonic unsuppressed ONLY appl. In the dark, maybe just up out of bed, and then theres a blinding fireball and an ear-splitting report, and its difficult to recover situational awareness, especially at my age, and even with my rail-mounted light. I'd recommend holding onto the subsonic .300blk ammo until you get an approved tax stamp for a suppressor. by 2bad4u2 Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:17 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. MjQxYzgwMWFlN2IyYmNlZWI5N2JjZGQ0ZGU1MzQyZmI5MWMwODk1ZjUxYmMw 7.62x39 has more power and cheaper ammo than 300blk. -ms-user-select: none; HI. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The clear advantages of sub-sonic loads are, of course, sound suppression which can conceal both presence & position. ZDJlOTQ0YzNkMDAyZTc2YjY5MWFjY2Q4MzIxOGVlNTAzYTQ1ZWZlMmU0MTQ0 I got one just to have another round to play with. The first question to consider before you ask if you ought to use 300 blackout supersonic vs subsonic is whether or not you plan on shooting suppressed. Even the small .22lr breaks the sound barrier, and gives a small sonic crack. There are so many custom bullets and loads being developed. I still can't find supers most of the time. Looks like it will be an SR7 with 90T when they hit the well stocked local Class 3 dealer! Ballistically I agree that the 300BLK doesn't outperform much of anything when it comes to 16" and unsuppressed, but it kills deer out to at least 200 yards just fine, and that's what I want. OWEyN2JmMTE0ZGM2MzkxYjdhZDc1N2EzYzNhOGQzY2I4NDNkNTJkYjI1MDcy The XTP bullet in Subsonic Handgun has built a world-class reputation for accuracy and stopping power. Suppressing a supersonic round does a great job of protecting your hearing, but you'll never get the Hollywood effect. MmQ0NGIwYWY0ZDkzMjQ3MTA3YjE5MTM0ZDFkNzFjZmU4YTNkODkwNGE5YWFl The 300BLK can run both super and subsonic ammo with a change of a magazine. ZTUzMjk3MjYzOTAzZDg3ZjhhZjFiNTE1NjY0MjJlN2Q3NTc3YjUzNDE4ZWFm In short a good expanding supersonic 300BLK is always ballistically superior to a good expanding subsonic 300BLK. A bullet traveling at higher speed means more energy that can be transferred to the target upon impact, more effective range, more tolerance to drop and wind drift. I obviously misread. Unique powders optimized for subsonic use result in a low flash signature, ideal for either suppressed or unsuppressed performance. That' 80% Arms sells AR-15 and .308 80% Lower Receivers, 80% Lower Jigs and other accessories which allow you to legally build a firearm at home in most states. YjYzYTFjNjg3ODIxNzc4MTIwMDYxZmFlYjc5YjAzZjQzODIxYTUzNTYwZDlj I load 110gr varmint tips at 2600fps and 125gr hornady sst's at 2400fps for hunting, and everything up to 240gr sierra's for plinking and/or subs. by Tom12.7 Fri May 27, 2011 7:58 am, Post Range Report: How Good Is the Smith and Wesson M&P FPC 9mm Folding Carbine? Do yourself a favor and get one you deserve it. Most factory .300 Blackout subsonic loads are a little more powerful than a routine .45 ACP handgun loading, if we're going on (the admittedly incomplete) calculated energy figures. Not sure, probably standard buffer and buffer spring ? 1. padding: .375rem .75rem; - And the Mode 3 screw allows a varied amount to gas to be used in cycling, and the correct amount of gas (and the setting of the AGB) is dependent on correct cycling, using the procedure outlined on page 35? I would like to start pig hunting with it. MDg4M2FmZmNlODRjODM3ZTQ1MzAzYTNhOGU3NWQ0YzVlOWM2NjcyZGQyMmEw The newer braces are less ugly & stupid than just a couple years ago. Pretty much, its for those who want a bigger bullet in an AR-15 with a minimum of technical distractions (some call them problems). border-color: #ffc107; -----BEGIN REPORT----- From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The .300blk sub will likely be slightly louder than a 9mm sub, assuming similar barrel lengths. On the other hand, supersonic offerings, when combined with suppression, will still conceal ones position and affords longer range lethality due to flatter shooting, lower weight bullets. Forget about cut brass. How to Assemble and Use the GST-9 Infinity Jig. Run a pistol-length location gas port (four inches ahead of the chamber area) with a carbine-length (16-inch) barrel. 300BLK is the most versatile centerfire cartridge in existence and an excellent HD choice. I don't think the 300blk is the best supersonic only round. Required fields are marked *. We will promptly replace or repair any product that we determine to be defective. From experience the .300blk subsonic is an amazingly fun round to shoot suppressed and it's the only way to shoot it reliably, but it's well worth it! I also have not put many thousands of rounds through it and I havent checked it for wear. I sent an email request to SA with a single question that was never responded to. Unless your 300 is just going to be a range toy, the cost savings isnt worth the risk. You are supposed to shoot super Sonic on the lower setting and use the higher one for shooting subsonic without a suppressor. NjZlZTcwZjdmYjA0OTI3OTM0OTcwZmVlOTk5ZjFhOGJhNDRiZTY0MDE4MWJh If you want to be ninja quiet, then shoot subsonics. The 300BLK is a very capable rifle in the 16 inch configuration and can take any 4 or 2 legged animal that either the 7.62X39 or the 6.8 can in normal shooting ranges of up to 300 yards. All comments are held for moderation and will appear after approval. When it comes to the 300 Blackout, there are more options for rapid expansion in supersonic rounds than there are with subsonic loads. Kind of like haircuts: they can take it off but cant put it back. This is the ammunition you want to train with, hunt with, and be the most familiar with. LE Silencers Science The supersonic, though, needs a gas port positioned at seven inches forward, standard carbine location. If I couldn't suppress or SBR, I probably not even go with another AR. I also discovered that some commercial .300 blackout pistols (like the CMMG Banshee 200) will not even cycle subsonic ammunition reliably without a suppressor attached. Would have spent my money on a Garand or old levergun. by hugegator Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:53 pm, Post If anything, its the heavier bullets that are more likely to keep going. For the vast majority of applications, supersonic ammunition is the most practical choice, and it has the added benefit of being cheaper as well. One new winner* is announced every week! Without the velocity of supersonic rounds, subsonic 300 Blackout rounds are not able to routinely make clean shots against large game. We stand behind all our products and were here to support you. This gun has shot subsonic and supersonic suppressed and unsuppressed flawlessly through 2500 rds min. Hornady Subsonic Ammunition designed for accuracy and performance below the speed of sound now comes in both rifle and handgun loads. One trick to get reliable subsonic function in a gun thats been built around more ideal supersonic function is lightening up the back end of the system. } The truth is that supersonic .300 blackout is absolutely better than subsonic, in all areas but one. This setup will should work excellently with subs and supers, suppressed, suppressed, and any other situation you can throw at it.. Mostly correct. by doubloon Fri May 27, 2011 9:49 am, Post It is nice to hear other shooters . But I think I would rather go with the .30 Remington AR cartridge instead now. Accuracy is determined by spin stabilization, and 1:8 is sufficient at subsonic speeds for up to 225gr BTHPs; transonic for 240grs. Shopping with us is absolutely safe - you never have to worry about credit card safety when shopping here Share your latest AR build or photos from the range with #RangeDayFriday for a chance to win a new firearm! In general, most people prefer a self-defense rifle bullet that expands rapidly and doesnt over-penetrate so that bullets wont travel through multiple walls or similar structures. I've been tying to keep an eye on 300BLK supersonic development, for me what comes out of supersonic in the next months will tip the scales on whether I go 308Win or 300BLK on my next purchase. Full Feature: Anderson Manufacturing Kiger 9C Pro 9mm, Throwback Thursday: 5 Long-Slide Pistols I Can't Live Without, The History Fixed and Adjustable Iron Sights, Rifle Hack: Sighting for 100 Yards at a Distance of 25 Yards, Throwback Thursday: All About Bullet Grain. Buy American Eagle 300BLK 200gr Suppressor. The giggle factor of subs, suppressed on a SBR is way up there. Been kicking around the idea adding a 300 Blackout into the mix, yet state laws do not allow for SBRs or suppressors. It just so happens that my SOT has such a range and allows me to shoot my 300 BLK subsonics but not supers. Does some damage with Barnes vor-tx bullets. Nzk5NTZjMWJjMmY4OTNkODk0YTM1MGMxZjZiM2FiYTdiNTIxZjM4MmI0ODhi by bluebird Fri May 27, 2011 1:43 am, Post One reason I could think of is for using your AR on an indoor range that is limited to pistol calibers. NTRjMTE3YWRjMTFiZjU2ZjY3NWM2NjIzMjMzOTIyNTU2MzcxODIzNjViMmQw Thanks for the info and well reasoned opinions. Plus, Im a believer in bigger is better respecting impact effectiveness of a bullet. There is Barnes RRLP in 300 BLK, though it may end up as LE/Mil only. So, if you think .45 ACP is a reliable choice for a defensive round, subsonic Blackout beats it. I was shooting subsonics, while my suppressor sits in the gun store safe waiting for some schmuck to rubber stamp a form, because they're all that I could find. This can actually vary a fair bit depending on altitude, temperature, and humidity, but in general, 1100fps is the determining number used in the firearms industry to differentiatethe two. Supersonic ammunition will provide more range, energy delivered on target, and less drop or wind-drift at range. If you do plan on shooting suppressed or aiming at targets within short distances then proceed with the 300 blackout platform. Subsonics cycle with a suppressor almost universally with all barrel makes. Before i got a 6.8, a 16" .300 unsuppressed was my primary hunting rifle. I like 6.5G and 6.8 alot as well, but the mags and bolts are annoying and more cost. Civil? Subsonic rounds have about the same energy on target as a .45 ACP round. So this brings me to my final points/questions. Despite larger bullet expansion size the temporary and permanent wound cavities of expanding subsonics are typically much smaller than expanding supersonics. I owned a SA 300BO Pistol and I wont say your wasting your time but I sold mine for that and other reasons. .btn-warning { The pistol-length-port location requires the least amount of post-build tuning to get 100-percent reliability. by este Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:16 pm, Post So while many believe .45 ACP to be the mighty fist of God, we know today that pretty much ALL handgun rounds are pretty terrible at stopping threats. And a small percentage of you claimed that using a 300BLK AR15 in a life or death situation was nothing more than a mall ninjas wet dream. Sign up to receive new product announcements, special offers, and the annual product catalog. I had read those can cause more fed issue than FMJ in the AR platform. SILENT AND STEALTHY A combination of 300 blackout subsonic rounds and a suppressor device means being able to retain all your senses in an outdoor environment while even dumping your magazine includes the added benefit of not disturbing others within the area. Most subsonic blackout ammo uses a bullet in the 200-grain range, and, of course, .308 diameter. I had it 6 months before I got the silencer and put 500-700 rounds through it.. Is 300 blk worth it unsuppressed? Any bullet thats built to either fragment or readily expand (not the same things but about the same effect) isnt going to get much farther after it meets a solid object. My SIG MCX Virtus 9" 300 blackout has about 300-400 rounds through it. I really like the FAL adjustable gas system. Subsonic Handgun utilizes tried-and-true XTP bullets that expand reliably at subsonic velocities. You dont have an issue with your 300blk if it wont run subsonic ammo UNSUPPRESSED! Matter of fact of the 5 deer I took this past season, 1 was with a Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 300BLK, and 1 was with a 16" Daniel Defense 300BLK. And! by 300Blk Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:00 pm, Post transition: color .15s ease-in-out,background-color .15s ease-in-out,border-color .15s ease-in-out,box-shadow .15s ease-in-out; So whether you're hunting hogs, punching holes in targets, or just playing pretend in your basement, we aren't here to judge. If you don't have that roll to fill, you don't need it. Y2JlY2Q1YmJhNWYxMjYxZTFhNDI1Yzg0N2U1MmMzZGJlY2U3MTk5ODY0MTdk Whats more, subsonic ammo is a good deal lower pressure than supersonic ammo, which has a SAAMI max limit of 55,000 PSI (most is around 50-52,000); most subsonic loads are running 30-35,000. Be first to know about promotions and new product launches. Depending on the load, some 300 blackout subsonic rounds are quiet enough to comfortably use without ear protection. Subsonics cycle with a suppressor almost universally with all barrel makes. It is also great supersonic for hunting. I usually end up cutting 3-4 coils from the spring to add an edge of reliability to a subsonic. Subsonic Blackout has a radically milder blast and report than 5.56 or supersonic Blackout. When I first built a .300, I couldnt get it to run reliably with bolt-over base failures, double feeds, etc. OK, so it is a ridiculous thing to open up ports and basically ruin perfectly good barrels. This purpose excludes taking down big game effectively and ethically. Right, its only good for subsonic, but it runs perfectly! margin-bottom: 10px; Is 300BLK worth it in supersonic unsuppressed ONLY appl.? Done like that, the relatively tiny amount of fast-burning propellant behind that honking .30-caliber bullet gets put to work effectively because the pressure at the gas port is higher. No it is NOT worth it unless you are going to go shorter than 10.5". Hornady Subsonic Ammunition doesnt have the loud report of a supersonic round, and paired with a suppressor, its even quieter. NTM5OTc1MGMzYzdhYTJiZGM5NmZjOGU0NWNhYjI0NDhjZjc5NWJjYWIxOThm margin-top: 6px; If not, and you need to hit targets at distances past 3-400 yards then opting to shoot 5.56 NATO instead will save yourself some money. Anyway, read through the responses below and let us know your thoughts in the comments section. .btn { } by 300Blk Fri May 27, 2011 7:25 am, Post Subsonic 300 Blackout ammo is effective for the former two characteristics but falls short in almost every other category: effective range, terminal ballistics, bullet trajectory and cost efficiency. border-radius: .25rem; But if you are spending close to $1 per round for quality factory ammo, I thought it might be a good idea to take a look at some actual decibel meter comparisons between between top brands. A friend of mine likes to hunt with a 16" 300 blk over his 6.8 when hunting everything from deer, hogs and coyotes. Posted April 10, 2019 in Ammunition, AR-15, Editorial, Subsonic Ammunition by Pete with No CommentsTags: 300 BLACKOUT, 300blk, Subsonic, supersonic, When we last left you, the discussion of choosing either subsonic or supersonic ammo for your 300BLK defensive weapon was in a full-on firefight. line-height: 1.5; OUR GST-9 IS UNAFFECTED BY THE LATEST 12/28 ATF CLARIFICATION LETTER & SHIPS IN 3 DAYS! For precisely this reason, hunting with subsonic 300 blackout is generally not advised in most scenarios unless youre taking on wild pigs or smaller sized game within short distances. Home defense in its most typical form is about getting yourself and your loved ones off the X. I forgot to say, 175 grain 3-gun ammo is being loaded right now - but only 10,000 rounds at first, so none will be for sale. Due to NFA laws in my home state, two different guns were used for this test. .300 Blackout is an intermediate caliber that performs with a better ballistic capability than 5.56x45mm while retaining the same round capacity using a standard M4 magazine. For the love of goodness gentleman, I wish I didnt have to make this post but Ive seen about 10 on this subject in the past week. Lucky or good Im not really sure which, but Ill take it. MmI2MDAzY2VkZmQ4MzZiZmU1OWQzZjU2ZDIxMmM4OTBjMGM2NDQ3YWEzNTUz } Based on these points, for stopping a human target as quickly as possible, what would favor the subsonic .300 over the 45? If you don't have any experience with a suppressor I recommend you do your homework on the different models as cost doesn't always mean best sound suppression or quality. There is no noise from the action or any created via the ejection process as noticed in a semi automatic firearm. ago. Supersonic 300BLK can have nearly three times the kinetic energy as a subsonic 300BLK. In terms of ballistics and terminal performance, supersonic is where 300 BLK really shines, especially in SBRs, and especially compared to 5.56 for short to mid-range use. From heavy subsonic loads to supersonic rounds, both with and without the silencer attached; we experienced no malfunctions of any kind". I am planning a .300 BLK as soon as the XCR is available, and I am only interested in subsonic/suppressed. Subsonics are expensive and their performance is marginal compared to supers. If have two, 6.8s and you are thinking of a 300 blk.i say do it. For those 'go loud' engagements you could opt for supersonic rounds to take the ballistic advantage of full power rounds. Just because it's not ideal, doesn't mean it can't be suppressed. As everyone does know, it takes most of a year to get the ATF tax stamp approval for a suppressor, which means youre stuck with a pistol that you cant use, without damaging it, for a long time. OTMwY2EwMDRiYzUzMDJlY2FlMjFiNGQ5MDY0ZmI0MzdiNWQ2Y2JmYTkzOWFh Gain a deep knowledge of ballistic science and access our improved ballistic calculator. I probably would since you've already got the 6.8 spc rifles. Share your tips in the comment section below. Such is not the case. Post Long grooves in its gilding metal jacket combine with the bullets flat profile and the patented Flex Tip insert within its hollowpoint cavity to help it expand reliably at low velocities. Just keep in mind, if you are wanting .308 performance.buy a .308. nope. - So, the Mode 1 set screw, fully inserted, allows the maximum amount to gas to be used in cycling the weapon? So, being new to AGBs, here are my few thoughts and what I think I've figured out on their AGB. I have 2 16's, bolt and one AR. No big surprise guys but Short barrel+weak ammo+ no backpressure=shit reliability ps. Y2I4ZjgxMDJmNDg1ZGMwMzQ2NzFmN2E5YTcwZDQwZTViYmU5MDc5ZGE3OWU0 I have the SA Victor .308 rifle with the adjustable gas block. There are some loads on the market that do expand at subsonic velocities, but in general they still wont expand as rapidly and violently as a supersonic load will so penetration may still be an issue. I have it specifically because I don't want to hunt deer with a 5.56, and it's the easiest cheapest conversion for a AR-15 to make it a viable hunting rifle imo. font-weight: 400; I've only shot a couple through my 300's just to make sure they work and have been ratholing the rest as my wait should be over next month and I can break in the new can very well. A 16" .300 blackout gun running supers and suppressed is still pretty friggin quiet. Centerfire shooters looking for ultimate quiet will often reach for 300 Blackout subsonic ammunition. Interested in picking up your own, Pandemic pricing is not over yet so if you are already an AR-15 owner, it's won't take much more for you to be able to start shooting 300 BLK. You seem to have found a sweet setup in this article that does not have any feed issues. What is the diameter that your expanded subsonic .300 will achieve in the human anatomy vs that of the much wider 45(+P or even non +P for that matter)? Theres not enough gas in subsonic, or theres too much gas in supersonic, for both to function through a system set up more ideally for one or the other. Subsonic .300 Blackout is plenty powerful, in my estimation, and with radically better shootability than a higher-pressure carbine loading. Guess, I could all ways turn the 300 into a home defense carbine and load the heavier bullets. You are using an out of date browser. Versus 6.8, you're not gaining anything but diameter.
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