Awesome reply. I give you another idea: why not put the rifle over a sort of shallow sandbox but filled with flour? I think you'll like this one. Here is an excerpt from my sound test post that gives what I think is a helpful analogy here: Some of these brakes are clearly louder than others, but make no mistake theyre all very loud. This Gen 2 muzzle brake design from APA was the first popular muzzle brake featuring an integral locking nut, which means it doesnt have to be timed to a specific barrel. I only tested muzzle rise on one rifle, but Id suspect it would vary from one rifle to another, although Im not sure how significantly. Im new to the Sport and I absolutely love your insight. where you able to test the TANK on any other cal within the scope of the stay on target test? The tmb (tuner muzzle brake) and it's locking barrel tuner allows you to tune the harmonic vibrations of you barrel to align with your ammo, rather than the other way round. Glad you found it helpful. Only read the summary blog. Just got to typing too fast! Great article and I follow your posts with great interest! for instance if someone was looking to compete with these brakes and the JP didnt meet spec, then your summary would suggest that the next best alternative was JEC or APA little B whereas in my analysis(of your data) the APA come in rank #5 Behind the Tank, both Hollands and Impact Percisions,,(I didnt analyse the JEC because i had incomplete data for recoil). Click HERE to add additional adapters Click HERE for the Best-Selling Hellfire Muzzle Brake The HELLFIRE 2P Muzzle Brake is designed to provide an optimized brake for Semi-Automatic and/or hunting weapons systems with barrels of 20 or less. Just add an air compressor,blow gun, high-speed camera, and voila new insight! Its a real problem. It was much more accurate than I expected it to be, so Im not surprised you didnt have to tune the muzzle velocity. But boy is it ugly. The dark bar shows the starting price, the light green bar shows the highest price. The Hollands could be the most popular for a good all-around brake on a high-end custom rifle. I do want to point out that I had to infer the results for the JECand Tubb muzzle brakes on the sound test, and the same for the Badger Ordnance FTE Muzzle Brake on the staying on target test. I actually didnt test AR-15 muzzle brakes, because I felt like Jeremy had done a great job of covering that subject. Thanks for the kind words about my website. Those guys can typically contour it to make the barrel diameter (shown below), although Im not sure if they could do that for a 9/16 OD barrel. Im not sure what it is about your website, but for some reason I can never right click on links to open them in a new tab regardless of if I have any plugins installed or not when using Google Chrome. Awesome review and writeup Cal! I remember when Ive switched barrels with that brake, Id have to make sure to send it to the gunsmith. If there is enough support, I might consider doing it next time. $75.95. Now, having said all that. I wouldnt put one on any of my rifles, but thats just my opinion youre entitled to yours as well. But there was a long list of quality manufacturers also mentioned on the survey, including Silencer Tech who represented 9% of the shooters, Leviathan Suppressors who represented 6% of the shooters, among others. Hey, Bobby. In the data above, you can see 51% of these guys said they might run a muzzle brake or a suppressor depending on the situation. In fact, Ive almost drilled top ports in mine a couple times. (Although I heard Greg wanted to have the Terminators tested) Great work as always, keep it up!! As a full disclaimer, my goal isnt to make money off this website. Its towards the bottom of the post. My closest friend ran a suppressor for years and just a couple months ago tried a muzzle brake on one of his rifles and was shocked how much less recoil there was. Not knocking them, just to set expectations in case somebody might think theyll buy one for the next match. That likely discouraged some people from going that route. Theyre available in direct thread or brake-attached. Even if you cant get it to be the same diameter as the barrel, I think itd still look appropriate on it and it would certainly help tame the recoil of 270. Using a muzzle brake indoors is not advised. The MTU only tightens their brakes (if used at all) from the 10:00 position to the12:00 position, thus not putting any strain on the threads and pinching the bore. I just took the ratings from the individual tests, and transformed them so the ability to stay on target would count towards 40% of the overall rating, recoil reduction counts towards 40%, the ground signature rating counts towards 15%, and the noise level counts towards 5%. For example, on the APA models, there are Gen I and Gen II models. As always great post! 92 Comments. Thanks man! And yes, leave the mirage cover on while youre shooting and slide it back off the suppressor as soon as you finish to let it cool. And dont let what these guys are using steal the joy of using what you already own. Tell you what, you spend thousands of dollars out of pocket and test it, like I did for all of these. Precision Armament Precision Armament 4110 Niles Hill Rd Wellsville, NY 14895 You are isolating your thread-specific dependency to a $100 part that isnt regulated, and not the $1000 heavy-regulated suppressor. I also got a strong mirage after the first 10 shots. Many are ported to offset muzzle rise, helping you stay on target to spot impacts (, Reduces recoil about 30% more than a suppressor, helping you stay on target to spot impacts (, Dont cause your barrel to heat like a suppressor, so less wait time between strings of fire, More maneuverable, because its lighter and shorter than a suppressor, Much cheaper (Less than $200 compared to $1000+ for popular suppressors + the $200 tax stamp), Reduces noise/concussion dramatically over muzzle brake, decreasing odds of hearing damage and may not require hearing protection (, Reduces muzzle blast and ground signature, which can kick up dust and debris (, Slight increase in muzzle velocity (15-30 fps in my experience with these cartridges), Some believe the added weight at the muzzle improves precision (In . SilencerCo is one of the most well-known suppressor manufacturers, and they make a huge range of suppressors for rifles, pistols, and even shotguns. Looks like its going to be a break for my target rifle and a can for hunting until I can figure a way to manage these issues better with the can. Does the length of a muzzle brake matter as far as recoil reduction goes? Cal, has that brand fallen out of favor? I bought the Rat Worx Big Chubby. Quick question though, on the pricing chart, what do the bars with two numbers mean? Currently it is $24 on Amazon and this is why I feel it should be included. That is probably the cartridge most of the manufacturers had in mind for these models. This field test has already been a catalyst for conversations, and I hope it ignites some innovation over the next year or two. You might just call them and see. That thing is extremely effective, and on the rifle I tested these on it had the perfect balance of sending gas upward to offset muzzle rise, but not load the barrel with a down force either. Those two suppressor manufacturers represented 68% of the 103 shooters who said they used a suppressor, and were the only brands used by more than 10 shooters. There were very few running a straight contour, but it does look a little retarded on those if they are 1.25 at the muzzle. Some of these suppressor companies might make a GREAT product, but just dont have good marketing, so its like winking at a girl in a dark room you know what youre doing, but nobody else does! Cal, APA has a few different sizes and models of muzzle brakes, but the APA Gen 2 Little B* Self-Timing Muzzle Brake is the most popular among this group. The Applied Ballistics Kestrel is an amazing little device. Keep in mind this is afieldtest, not alaboratorytest and Im not claiming its flawless. Both the Blast Tamer and Impact Precision have straight 90 degree baffles, so the blast patterns will be similar. I may actually tweak the chart when I get time to be a little more clear. Went out today with my first suppressor. Ive been using one of those chamber flag fan things, and I bet thatd help move air through a suppressor too. In fact, if hed just come out with a 5/2824 thread version of The Answer, Id try it. You bet, Beau! I explained why in a recent post on that series of suppressors. That kind was incredible. Its three-chamber design reduces a good amount of shoulder pain as well. These can dramatically change the feel of your rifle. I think its very unlikely a suppressor manufacturer will ever have a TOMB design that will outperform either of those. Todd Hodnett. Thanks for all time and effort you put into your site. $18.99. I went back and added a paragraph before the chart that gives a little more context on that. If youre wondering why I didnt include your favorite, read the Muzzle Brake Line-Up Post. TT. 6.5 Creedmoor Ammo Test Summary: Hit Probability At Long-Range, 6.5 Creedmoor Ammo Test Part 5: Live-Fire Group Sizes & Precision, 6.5 Creedmoor Ammo Test Part 4: Live-Fire Muzzle Velocity Details. Really does make me think, because Id never thought about them affecting the barrel in that way. Wishlist. Back off the jam nut, align the brake, re-tighten the jam nut. There are times I like the advantages of a suppressor over a muzzle brake. Heres my analogy: If you got hit by a vehicle at 70 mph, it is going to hurt regardless of whether it was a compact Kia or a big truck. The Shrewd certainly doesnt perform in the same league as these other models. I dont. If you use a mirage cover, it will help but you still have to stop to pull back the cover regularly and let it cool down. $134.95. My suggestion is buy the one you think is best. Description. In fact, one of the reasons those fans arent more effective (although they help a little) is because there is very little surface area inside the bore of a barrel but there is a lot of surface area in a suppressor, so I wouldnt be surprised if those chamber fans arent measurably more effective at cooking suppressors than barrels. But, thats why I actually run the tests, instead of just talking about this stuff! Rating: 0%. Best of luck to you! In fact, I was discussing this muzzle brake test withDavid Tubb, a very accomplished rifleman, and he is convinced the ability to stay on target wasthe most importantaspect of a muzzle brake. Its be incredibly valuable, because theyre not only so expensive the time you sink into them for the tax stamp doesnt allow the typical try it and trade it mentality that you can take on some rifle parts. By spotting your bullet splash, you can fine-tune your elevation or windage adjustments with confidence. Thank you for your feedback! To be fair, Bryan does go into the definition of "hygroscopic" by the 2nd pa Andy: Any idea if they'll offer a bundle for all 3 similar to what they did for vol 1 Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License. A couple of years ago, I created a recoil test system with high-speed sensors and tested a bunch of muzzle brakes. It seems like those guys have been able to keep up with the demand that this field test caused. They arent going to tweak the design so that it works better as a stand-alone muzzle brake, if it means it wouldnt be completely optimized for use with the suppressor. Sound right? Feel free to blame me! Quick view View Options. To help make the process easier, I assembled my top upgrades to crank the Ruger Precision Rifle to 11. If you didnt care about the size (and can get past the aesthetics), the JP Recoil Eliminator is a great choice. Its a great idea, and pretty easy to implement honestly. That is an interesting idea. Why do you think this is. When I was looking at the results of your muzzle break study does the APA micro bastard have the same recoil reduction as the fat bastard and little bastard that you did the studies on? I dont mine the JP eliminator, just really big. I thought it would be of interest to you. Because of the M18 x 1.5 thread pitch on the Sako, Im somewhat limited as to brakes/Suppressors. We build rifles to consistently provide extreme accuracy whether they are for hunting or competition. But because of the reduced size, Id expect it to come up short of the performance of the Little B or Fat B designs. $80.00. I dont know that (wish I did) but that is my hunch. In fact, TBAC offers both a brake-attached and a direct thread version of their new Ultra series, and I tested both of them. I used 4 rifles during testing, including a 6XC, 6.5 Creedmoor, 308 Win, and 300 Norma Magnum. That is one of the biggest reasons the military snipers use suppressors and not muzzle brakes. I get you, Pierre. So here is the overall performance ratings, based on what you guys said was most important. My formulas are built around where the bullet hits. I dont believe in a one-size-fits-all best muzzle brake. Glad you found my content helpful. I was trying to decide how much weight to put on each test, and finally decided to just ask you guys. If you cant handle recoil, have a tactical rifle and dont mind what your rifle looks like, then get someone to install one of these more ugly and effective devices. Thanks! I agree that loudness is not important, and you make a great point about ground signature. Thats why its unlikely Ill ever use a TOMB design as a stand-alone muzzle brake. What happens if a brake is used under a suppressor? I do appreciate the suggestion. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I have been on stages that require you to take 4 shots in 10 seconds, or Ive seen guys run a 6 shot stage in 14 seconds. However, that doesnt necessarily mean theyre the best. There were a lot of other muzzle brake designs used by these elite shooters, like the PVA Mad Scientist Brake, Piercision Rifles 5 Port Muscle Brake, and Kahntrol Muzzle Brake, which were each used by 4-5 shooters. Thanks, buddy! My question: youve demonstrated that brakes help manage recoil and get one back on target quicker. Yes, sir. I need an editor. Those are what most of the top shooters in the Precision Rifle Series are using, and what I personally have confidence in. MPA Brake Street Price = $139. Close . Itd be fun for a brake fabricator to test that! 1/228 threads are typically used for smaller calibers (like 223), so if I were you Id buy a thread adapter to make that 5/824. The Omega is 7 long and weighs 14 ounces. I finally got my brake. With the APA Gen II Little B****** stating on their website, perfect fit for barrels .750 -.900 inches in diameter at the muzzle, what are guys running on muzzles with larger diameters like straight tapers and MTU? Cadex Precision Rifle MX1 Muzzle Brake 5/824 $ 249.99. Behind those two muzzle brakes, were a big cluster of muzzle brakes that in the range of 27-37% recoil reduction. If you ever do another break test this company below makes a great recoil reducing break, the M4-72. I ordered one at the beginning of June and still no word on when it will ship (over four months now). I do appreciate your feedback and suggestion. Shop high performing muzzle brakes, flash hiders, and control accessories for Ar-15, AK-47, and long range bolt action rifles The Impact Precision design has a few unique features compared to the others at the top of this list. So it sounds like when shooting, to leave the cover on. It would also seem to vary considerably based on the ammo/powder you use, so Im not sure how youd test that in a comprehensive way. - Page 2. Quick view View Options. It also features a self-timing integral locking nut similar to the APA design, making it simple to switch between barrels. Were there any brakes that departed significantly from the overall correlation, such as significantly louder or softer for the recoil reduction? All the test barrels were validated for accuracy before the muzzle brakes were installed. I almost did that but were talking $50 difference on most of these. SilencerCo claims the Omegais the lightest, shortest, quietest, full-auto rated, titanium .30 caliber centerfire rifle silencer on the market. Impact Precision is that same way too, if you were looking for a little more compact package. I think its a great idea. My results change the picture a bit and I thought you might be interested in seeing those results, more as a discussion than a debate. Great for the shooter but if you have people on benches next to you the will definetly hear it, and feel it when you take a shot. My bad. I like Shrewd brakes because they look like part of the barrel instead of looking like the brake on a Russian main line battle tank. Thanks, Russell. Message Body: Tags American Precision Arms APA Little Bastard Area 419 Crux Suppressor Dead Air Suppressor Harold Vaughn Hawkins Precision Hellfire Muzzle Brake Impact Precision Insite Arms Kahntrol Muzzle Brake Lane Suppressor Leviathan Suppressors Mack Brothers Suppressor Masterpiece Arms MBM Beast Patriot Valley Arms Piercision Rifles PVA Mad Scientist Muzzle Brake Silencer Tech SilencerCo Omega Spartan Precision Rifles Sure Shot Precision Rifles TBAC Ultra-7 Suppressor Thunder Beast ZRODelta. I bought one from Brownells for $27 not that long ago, and it works great. There will always be a newer, shinier toy come out but that shouldnt rob our contentment with what we have. The Omega Suppressor typically sales for $1130, but I noticed EuroOptic.com currently has it on sale for $899! This isnt like the integral locking nut or collar on these other brakes, but effectively provides the same function without worrying about the brake turning as you torque it down. Its clear when you walking around most major precision rifle competitions that the majority of rifles have a muzzle brake on them. I think itd be just one more compelling thing about that muzzle brake. The reason I published all the data and didnt just summarize all of it in overall scores (like what most magazines do) was for guys like you that want to do their own analysis or might not agree with my methods or scoring techniques.
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